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Mag. I took a huge-bodied Zimbabwe bull elephant with my .404 Jeffery, giving complete penetration and exiting on two body shots. You are using an out of date browser. when I hold it right. If someone out there demands hubris (Yeah, go look it up!) Dead heat here. And, Ive found theres a definite ramp-up in recoil when you go to the 500-grain, .45-caliber cartridges, which run at 2,150 fps and upward. .405 Winchester .450-400 3-Inch Nitro Express .400 H&H Magnum .416 Rigby .416 Remington Magnum .416 Weatherby Magnum .416 Ruger .416 Taylor .500-416 Nitro Express .404 Jeffery .425 Westley Richards. 2, I expect that trend to continue. The 404 being .423" would have an edge on sectional density while the .458" would have slightly more frontal area. This combination has accounted for elephant, buffalo and all sorts of plains game animals at ranges from 16 to 225 yards. The 404 Jeffery sired the majority of Nosler's cartridge line, namely the 30 Nosler, 26 Nosler, and 33 Nosler as well as other cartridges like the 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum (7mm RUM). The load and bullet were revised, and things were set right; however, I feel that there are still flaws in the .458 Winchester. It's a bigger piston, therefore more energy gets transferred to the projectile (not to mention that the twist rate is generally less, a not insignificant distinction as better than 25% of the energy released via combustion is consumed in bringing the bullet up to rotational speedthis is why ultra-velocity projects, wherein one is trying to attain the greatest projectile velocity possible, always involve non-rifled boressome of these get surprisingly close to the gas velocity, which is on the order of 7,000 fpswhich is why muzzle brakes can be so effective (F=ma -> consumed powder in the form of a gas escaping the muzzle at around 7,000 fps)). I wouldnt find fault with a hunter for choosing one way or the other, so Ill settle the argument with my own personal decision: I own two .404 Jeffery riflesa Heym Express and a Bansner Customand I dont own a .416 Rigby. This modern rimmed case from Krieghoff uses a 3-inch case to push a 400-grain, .416-inch bullet to 2,300 fps and makes a solid choice for a hunter who wants a double-rifle in .40-caliber. The legacy that WDM Bell leaves us is that perfect shot placement, coupled with proper bullet construction, trumps caliber every time. 1's are well known for their phenomenal accuracy and essentially fail-proof design. Of the .416s, Id say the Weatherby is the least popular, although as with many of its other cartridges, its fans are fervent. 6,5 Creedmoor. Eight major concealed carry insurance programs are now available to the millions of Americans who carry concealed. Learn how your comment data is processed. and is also known as .404 Rimless Nitro Express. First off, any 29 year old regaurdless of what he does does not have enough experience in anything to be running his mouth about anyone. Includes 1" (25mm) Opti lock bases and rings, front . One reason is the history of the cartridge - not rational I know. Yes, the .45s have more weight and a greater frontal diameter, but the energy figures between the lower .40s and the .45s arent radically different: They both have roughly 1,000 more ft-lb at the muzzle than do the .375s. Dangerous gamethose two words pique my curiosity like a kitten at the sight of a laser-pointer. This puts it in the same league as the .416 Rigby, Remington and Ruger. DoubleTap has offered factory ammo for it in the past, but it remains a handloaded proposition. So, while both of these cartridges have a rather impeccable reputation, which one makes a better choice for the dangerous game hunter? I'm all for different strokes for different folks, but the 29 year old PH is as ignorant as they come and probably doesn't even understand the purpose of a double rifle.The purpose (the elitists that use themyou know, the guys that survive dangerous game) is to allow you to instantly provide a follow up shot without lowering your gun. The 130-grain bullets leave the barrel at 3300 fps, and the 150-grain slugs are moving at just about 3150 fps; the trajectory is similar to the 7mm Rem. But it does get an ill-proportioned amount of chatter on at least one forum. Mag. It was 1989 when Weatherby adapted its big, double-radius case to the .416-inch bore, with the signature increase in velocity in tow. For mine in practical terms results are very similar as far as the rounds go. At 2050 fps from a 25 barrel the psi stands at 62,740 well within safety factors. With .360 Buckhammer rolling out nationwide, Henry is bringing its first rifles chambered for the new caliber to market with the Henry Steel Lever Action in .360 Buckhammerand theHenry Lever Action X Model in .360 Buckhammer. Especially someone paying 15-50,000 dollars for a hunt.Anyone who thinks the owners of Remingtons or Weatherby's have no idea what their doing is just a plain ass.Contrary to most elitist preconcieved european notions of those that own expensive items such as double rifles.Thier forfathers, whom most likely aquired their weath from stealing cattle from the nearby locals are a far cry from those today that have WORKED to aquire there wealth and EARNED the right to any article they have aquired.And don't think for one minute that just because a man walks up with a particular rifle that you are more experienced than he. for 4,020 ft.-lbs. The Firearms Industry is 2/3 B.S. Ive seen its effects first-hand, and it is a true stopping rifle. Tropical rifle. The 404 being .423" would have an edge on sectional density while the .458" would have slightly more frontal area. JavaScript is disabled. Ill spare you that endurance test! Classy and timeless it combines traditional values with the utmost accuracy, excellent ergonomics and safe handling. Both kill very well, both have proven to be very accurate (I have sub-MOA loads for both) and both are wonderfully nostalgic. spectrum of usefulness=1 (due to very limited bullets & rifles). It is a cartridge that can use bullets up to 350 grains, and the recoil of the .375 H&H is mild enough that just about anyone can shoot it with a bit of practice. Lets take a look at some of those cartridges that fit the bill. Taylor KO, .404 Jeffery 400gr 2500 fps .321 5550 60.4, 450gr 2300 fps .359 5285 62.5, .458 Win Mag 500gr 2260 fps .341 5670 74, 550gr 2150 fps .375 5645 77.4, 600gr 2050 fps .409 5598 80.5. The .450-400 (the British naming system uses the parent cartridge first) has gone through several iterations, at various lengths (2 3/8 inch, 3 inch and 3 inch) and has been fueled by black powder and smokeless alike. Original loads were: a 400-gr. Looking at the performance level among the .375s, lower .40s and the .45s, using 300-, 400- and 500-grain bullets, respectively, youll see the trajectories of the .40-calibers staying very close to that of the .375s, where the .45s drop off quite a bit more. Though the number of rifles produced prior to World War II was actually quite lowa whopping total of 169 riflesit was the writing of experienced African hunters like John Pondoro Taylor who sang its praises; but the 1953 release of Robert Ruarks Horn of the Hunter, in which he idolized his PH Harry Selby and his .416 Rigby, that sealed the cartridges fate. Stopping power is no myth when deep penetration and immediate CNS kills are needed; in those instances when tables turn and prey becomes predator and hemorrhaging and blood loss are not enough. If I were forced to pick a single cartridge-and-bullet combination for all my dangerous-game work, itd be my .404 Jeffery, loaded with 400-grain Woodleigh Hydrostatically Stabilized Solids to 2,280 fps. Driving a 400-grain bullet to 2,050 fps, the .411-inch diameter bullets will give excellent penetration, making it a perfectly viable cartridge, even for elephant. Among the black bears, pronghorns, mountain goats and mule deer were eight typical and eight non-typical whitetails taken in nine different states. Although a modern design, Dakota brass is expensive and somewhat rare in comparison to other cartridge options. For me, enough is enough! Email When Available 458 WIN MAG: 500 [+] Close . I am considering a a build for a 404 jeffery and am having a devil of a time getting a definitive answer as to what actions would be ready-candidate for conversion to a 404. But that's not to cast doubt with faint praise with today's powders and stronger rifles it is quite capable of impressive performance though nothing extraordinary. My Ford van will do more than I care to push it So will my .458 Win Mag! It remains the most popular Weatherby cartridge and the flagship of the line. Even .470 double by Manton was more shootable than the Ruger .458 Winchester magnum. And, my calculator tells me no lies! In its blackpowder guise this threw a 325grain lead bullet at 1900fps. So we ARE comparing two brands of apples here sort of. wiederladen norma web 308 norma mag 308 winchester 338 lapua mag 338 norma mag 338 win mag 35 whelen 358 norma mag 375 blaser mag 375 fl mag n e 375 h h mag 4 5 mm 404 jeffery 416 rem mag 416 rigby 416 taylor 450 rigby 458 lott 458 . And since the .404 Jeff is a longer bottle-neck case, it burns a larger dose of slower burning power to achieve about 76% of the ballistics of my .458 Win Mag! of energy at the muzzle. The premium 300-grainers and the Woodleigh 350-grain bullets in the Norma African PH line of ammo will get the job done. I prefer the 404J. Thats one in 1000! Actual bullet diameter was .423-inch, already established in Europe as the 10.75mm. If the placement is not right with either neither will the result be. Ruger added the .416 Ruger in 2009, and that venerable old wildcat, the .416 Taylor, was standardized in 2011. Modern bullets have made this .40-caliber even better. [2] The cartridge is standardized by the C.I.P. The original .404 Rimless Nitro Express used a 400-grain .423-inch bullet at 2,150 fps and was not only effective on all gameincluding elephant and rhinobut was also very easy to shoot well. Donor brass is readily available; and, with a good set of dies, you end up with a belted case that fits perfectly in a long-action receiver. Not surprisingly, as it uses heavy bullets with a moderate velocity resulting in a well-controlled expansion and a very good penetration - the time proven recipe of an efficient killer. For those hunters who want to approach the energy figures of the .45-calibers, but who still want a trajectory that can make the longer shots, the Rigby is a good choice. While its rather obvious that the .505 isnt a long-range rifle, it has what it takes when the distances are measured in feet, not in yards. Based on a shortened, blown-out, straight taper, .375 H&H Belted Magnum case, the .458 Winchester is designed for magazine rifles with standard (.30-06) length actions. Simply put: The 410-grain bullet of nominal diameter at 2,370 fps (modern loads use a 400-grain bullet at 2,350 or 2,400 fps) offered more than 5,000 ft-lb of muzzle energyand virtually unequaled penetrationdue to the high sectional density. Maybe thats giving too much credit I dunno. Because of the length of the cartridge3.75 inchesit requires a magnum-length receiver. The Safari Classics line from CZ-USA features the CZ single set trigger system set up to your specifications, matte or gloss blue finish on metal parts, #1 Fancy grade American Walnut stock with dual crossbolts and straight comb, glass . So I'm wondering if these cartridges would give similar results- at least on animals with hides of lesser thickness. Based on my research, the 404 is a standard magnum action. Save my name and email to use for future comments. Magazine 4 round AICS pattern magazine Barrel Matchgrade hunting barrel with muzzle threat M15x1 Caliber . Their designation uses the smaller land (rather than groove or bullet) diameter. However, having spent a considerable amount of time with both cartridgesin a few different riflesI will admit that the Rigby recoils harder than does the Jeffery. The .458 Winchester was born, claiming to drive a 510-grain bullet at 2,150 fps from the muzzle of the Model 70. Experiences? Swift High Grade Dangerous Game ammo in .404 Jeffery. Its as simple as that! Now the hunt is more important to me than the shot. Those ballistics are VERY impressive, to state the obvious in the least possible definition of it. Winchester The .458 Win. Any member who have these two caliber bullet`s expanded version pictures available ? Today, if I were to go to Africa I would take a .416 and a .300 Wichester magnum for plains game. Mag. An undeniable classic, the .416 Rigby was released in 1911. The Boone & Crockett Clubs Generation Next Youth Awards, amid the organizations 31st Big Game Awards, included a remarkable 132 great animals entered. The .505 Gibbs is a specialty cartridge that is designed for the heavyweights; it really doesnt make a whole lot of sense to use it on lighter game, as there are much better tools for that job. With premium bullets, the .416 Weatherby will certainly handle any game that walks the Earth. Remington changed the design slightly, using their 8mm Remington Magnum case as a basis, and in 1988 released the .416 Remington Magnum. I own & shoot custom bolt rifles in ,275 #2 Magnum & .350 Rigby Rimless Magnum. The big Gibbs case will need 130 to 145 grains of powder to push those huge bullets, and it pushes the big 570- and 600-grain slugs to 2,100 fps, for just under 5,900 ft.-lbs. They were offered in those chamberings plus .416 Rem, .404 Jeffery, .425 W.R., .450 Rigby, .500 Jeffery, .505 Gibbs. The 375 and 416 Ruger outperform their H&H based counterparts, and do so in standard action sizes, which makes them much more useful/wieldable for the average big/dangerous game hunter. Thats my view from here and its hard to argue with reality. Before we get too deep into other details, keep in mind (from previous blogs) our system of scoring: There are 10 criteria with a value of 10 points each that makes a possible 100. By the way, an asidepushed from the same case, with the same powder charge, a larger diameter bullet of the same weight will always yield more velocity. World's most popular community & resource for hunting in Africa since 2007. If you find a PH who makes such instant, and largely invalid, assumptions about his client from the rifle that he has chosen, you might rightly assume that his experience, if any, was based on other such questionable observations. The "Safari Classics" were built in the CZ custom shop here in the States with upgraded Classic style stocks with cheekpiece and they used McGowen barrels. Another is that it is not straight walled so should feed more reliably and it has the runs on the board from local game rangers to PH's. Or, a traditionally loaded 535gr solid at 2450 fps (7130 ft-lbs). The .450-400 3-inch is also known as the .400 Jeffery. My Heym Express prints them into sub-MOA groups, and my, is it effective. An American Professional Hunter named George Hoffman mated the .416-inch bullets of the Rigby with the case of the .375 H&H; the result was the .416 Hoffman, and it was and still is a good cartridge. The .404 Jeffery is a rifle cartridge designed for hunting large, dangerous game animals, such as the "Big Five" (elephant, rhino, cape buffalo, lion and leopard) of Africa. So, my reckoning is largely rooted in a love for the .45-70 to begin with, and then wanting one in a bolt action! Mag. to be called the Forty-Five-Moor Matches. All have the desired length for a proper dangerous-game cartridge. Get the latest news and reviews from Gundigest.com. Sometimes more is just more and not necessarily better. The .458 Lott, a wildcat that nicely improved on .458 Win. The point of the PH's comment was to generalize, and I think he got it right. Mag. And then there are those who feel that anything smaller than the .500 Jeffery or .500 Nitro Express is a waste of time, because no smaller cartridge could possibly stop a charge. My first rifle was an original 404 by W.J. It's got the history and all the oomph one could ever need. The .404 Jeffery While the .416 Rigby took the lions share of the popularity, the .404 Jeffery was quietly doing the majority of the dirty work. Looking to enhance your effectiveness in the turkey woods this season? It shares the same case length as the .375 H&H and fits perfectly in a magnum-length action. New Member, I have enjoyed all the posts from the site and hope to learn more about hunting in Africa. Mag. Jack Lott, a veteran African hunter, had experienced those issues I outlined regarding the .458 Winchester MagnumIve heard the story of how he was nearly killedand decided to fix the issue. of energy at the muzzle, but the main selling point of the .375 is the versatility. The 3-inch variant has been the most popular with many new double rifles, as well as the Ruger No. Some feel that the initial loadings of the .404 Jefferythe 400-grain/2150 fps comboare a bit anemic, but for over a century it has worked and worked well. Modern hunters have forgotten how to stalk their prey. 375 Wby Mag; 375 Win; 376 Steyr; 378 Wby Mag; 38-55 WCF; 40-60 Win; 40-65 Win; 404 Jeffery; 405 Win; 408 CheyTac; 416 Barrett; 416 Rem Mag; 416 Rigby; 416 Ruger; 416 Taylor; 416 Wby Mag; 44-40 WCF; 444 Marlin; 45-60 Win; 45-70 Gov; 45-75 Win; 45-90; 450 Bushmaster; 450 Marlin; 450 Nitro Express; 450 Rigby; 450-400 Nitro Express; 457 WW Mag; 458 . 1 single-shot, with ammunition produced by Hornady. If you are one of the few owners and shooters of the Jeffery, I wish you nothing but success and happiness. When a client shows up with a .416 Rigby, you know you have someone who has studied and respects the rich history and traditions of the sport of dangerous-game hunting. battle of the big bores the .458 Win Mag advantagePart 2. Beautiful timber, gorgeous traditional SAKO gloss blueing. And then there's the .404 Jeffery, a superb dangerous-game round. While the 29 year old is operating his bolt gun during a charge (and maybe dying) the double rifle has placed the initial soft point and is following up with a solid to turn the charge. But its not really about 300-grainers because, as suggested, its meat and potatoes load was a very reputable 400gr Kynoch solid. Fired only 20-30 rounds to sight in at the range. They provide adequate velocity, reasonable trajectories, and great killing power for their intended classes of game. / .38-72 / .405 Win / .375 Ruger / .400 Nitro Exp./ .404 Jeffery. Nostalgia? Like everyone, WDM Bell was a product of his times and to hunt the dangerous big game of Africa with such light caliber rifles would be illegal today. Those are, for the uninformed, .510 bullets (soft or solid) of 570grs at approximately 2350 fps! In 2008, the joint effort between Hornady and Ruger was expanded to include the .416 Rugera beltless case designed to fit in a long-action receiver, matching the velocity of the Rigby and Remington cases. In spite of its lower velocity, the .450-400 3-inch remains the most popular of the rimmed cartridgesalthough I predict the .416 Rigby No. [3] The .404 Jeffery uses a 400-grain bullet of .423-inch diameter, with the original load leaving the muzzle at 2,150 fps and modern loads ramping up that figure to 2,350 fps. And a 550gr for the .458WM is obtainable from the same source. Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. .458 Win Mag rounds (introduced in the 1950s and based off the .375 H&H) compared to a cigarette. It remains a great choice for a light-recoiling double-rifle cartridge capable of handling all game, including elephant. vs. 3,732 ft-lb), the heavier bullet weight of the .450-400 gives it an advantage in the field. There are many good bullets in the 230- to 270-grain range that will make for a flat-shooting load. was the first American big bore cartridge designed for African dangerous game hunting. A 500 grain .458 bullet at 2,040 feet per second is still an extremely potent load and is quite effective on the whole range of thick skinned dangerous game in Africa. Available in .375 H&H, .416 Remington Magnum, and .458 Winchester Magnum, the Model 70 Safari Express is a fine representation of what many expect in a dangerous game rifle. In 1909 William Jeffery introduced the .404 Jeffery, a 400-grain bullet of .423-inch diameter. Remember, its .423 vs .458, 300gr vs 350gr, 2600 fps vs 2750 fps, and 4503 ft-lbs of kinetic energy vs 5890 ft-lbs! The 0.350-inch difference in length changed the entire game, and the belted Lott case will push a 500-grain bullet to 2,300 fps, for over 5,900 ft.-lbs of energy. The 404 Jeff is a much better African hunting calibre than the 458 Win would ever be. The rifle has a weight of about 4.3kg and a standard barrel length of 61 cm. The CZ 600 Trail proved to be a handy rifle that can down game in hard-to-find places, all without alerting everything with fur that you have moved into the woods. I feel that somewhere in the middle lies the best balance of trajectory, striking power and ease of shootingthose lower .40-caliber cartridges. Ironically, while .405 is a bigger number than .404, the Jeffery takes a .423-inch bullet. While I think the ship has sailed, theres nothing wrong with using a .400 H&H for all dangerous-game hunting. When a client shows up in camp with a .375 Holland & Holland, you immediately know that you have a practical and able chap as a customer, a wise and knowledgeable hunter who will listen to reason. flanged cartridge shot in doubles, it succeeded admirably in bolt-action magazine rifles as a rimless cartridge. 2, a rimmed version of the classic .416 Rigby thats built for double-rifles. 400 grain: 2250 fps/4496 ft-lbs, SD .272 (Federal TBBC) 500 grain: 2090 fps/4849 ft-lbs, SD .341 (Federal TBBC) (L-R): .458 Win Mag, .458 Lott, .460 Weatherby Gnanapragasam Creative Commons .470 Nitro Express Get the latest news and reviews from Gundigest.com. Some are more than a century old; some came about in my lifetime. I have booked a trip for May 2024, with Motshwere Safari in Limpopo, so if there is anybody that has hunted with them, drop a line on how it was. This formulawell, actually a 400-grain 416 bullet at 2400 fpswould go on to become an undeniable classic, with the .416 Hoffman and .416 Remington Magnum replicating the recipe, albeit at a higher pressure. Everyone should own one at least once. I dont think the modern Jeffery loadthe 400-grain bullet at 2350 fpsgives up much to the Rigby, though the higher sectional density of the Rigby bullet might influence a choice, but the greater frontal diameter.423-inch v. .416-inchmight offset that concept. Some of them are reserved for the double gunslike the rimmed .500 Nitro Expressand others designed for the repeating rifleslike the .500 Jefferybut my favorite among these is the .505 Gibbs Magnum. Availability of ammo is not a factor in this comparison as most dangerous game cartridges are not ones you will find stocked in most any gun store either. The casebeing cut downdidnt have the capacity to get those big bullets moving at the advertised speed. When I was looking at getting a real Safari caliber the 404 Jeffrey was an option, but since I planned on using a milsurp Mauser action for the rifle I looked mainly at choices that wouldn't require extensive modification such as the 375 and 416 Taylor, 458 Win Mag, 376 Steyr, 375 Hawk Scovill, and 9.3x62. The Rigby, a pre-war model was manageable. Any .45-Bore, 10-pound rifle with 3-pound trigger. The .404 Jeffery, an African workhorse that makes a great choice for dangerous game The .458s Now, we're getting into the realm of the true stopping rifles. Do yourself a favor get hold of a .423 bullet and a .458 bullet hold them in your hands ..you will really see a big difference between these two bullets..the .458" is really a lot bigger than the .423" no comparison at allthe 404 Jeffery is made for a 400 gn bullet at 2150 f/s it is deadly as isbut if you are not sure of your competency with such a load/rifle,,you can go heavier I suppose? 6,5 Carcano. Nobody claims it to be the most accurate fast .30, but it's been a favorite of mine for nearly 40 years. I think there is so much overlap with cartridges that perhaps the title should be reworded to 10 of the best instead of the 10 best, at which point there is little argument that any of these fit the bill. In addition if I remember correctly the NRA had an independent test run on the velocities of the 458 Win in 1956 which verified the original 2150fps ballistics with 510 gr bullets with the original 25 bbl. The .458 Winchester was born, claiming to drive a 510-grain bullet at 2,150 fps from the muzzle of the Model 70. There are good, modern loads available from Hornady, using the DGX and DGS bullets, and plenty of good brass for the handloader. Of course, I am 65 and weigh 280 lbs, but my 58 160 son in law can shoot a box of those rounds in that gun just as well with no ill effects. The sectional density (SD) of the 300gr was about the same as a 350gr in .458, at .239 SD compared to .238 SD in .458. But even with the 350-grain Woodleigh Weldcores, the .375 H&H doesnt quite hit as hard as the .40s do. More important is the rifle they are chambered in. Editor's Note: This article originally appeared in the May 2020 issue of Gun Digest the Magazine. Same ranges and targets as used in 1874. Being a rimmed case, it doesnt translate well to a bolt-action gun, but in a single-shot or double its a true classic. Selbys .470 double rifle had been accidently run over and damaged, and the only suitable rifle he could find in Nairobi was a dirty, rusty-looking .416 Rigby. Though there were so few produced, the reputation of the .416 Rigby inspired writers like Jack OConnor, who also sang its praises. "The Ruger No. Its lighter chamberings make it easy for recoil-shy shooters to field and makes it ideal for target work, too. 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